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Offline RCF

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1221 on: June 17, 2012, 20:59 »
The one chick who seems to be the most vocal has been doing some wingersizing.  ;D

http://youtu.be/FUoPkSU9zfA

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1220 on: June 17, 2012, 20:54 »
Looks like the two smallest males are the ledge-sitters...or is that just an optical illusion? ???

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1219 on: June 17, 2012, 20:10 »
I don't know how to post video clips, or I would - somebody just about fell off the ledge!!!!  If you know how, and can look at the video from about 8:06 - 8:08, you'll see it!  One of the birds jumped up on to the front ledge, and had a tough time gaining his/her balance (I've been away, and they've changed, so I need to spend some time figuring out who's who!!).  Anyhow, the one that jumped then started to flap his/her wings madly to get balanced.  I thought they were going to go over.....my poor heart!!!

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1218 on: June 17, 2012, 19:05 »
They are wild, as nature intended, and we should allow them to remain so.

I agree - and if it sounded like I was anthropomorphizing, I didn't mean it to sound that way.  Whatever is their hardwiring, there are behavioural milestores that even we poor humans are recognizeable as they develop.  For humans, babies under a certain age have no fall-from-height reflex (no idea what its called) hence the baby gates on stairways.  At a certain point in their development, the reflex kicks in and their whole mode of movement changes.  It's a hardwired mental change but is it also an emotional change.

Outside my sphere of expertise, but it's what makes observing such a great way to spend some time.

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1217 on: June 17, 2012, 18:26 »
Oh my... looks like we have TWO edge sitters...



WAIT!  Make that TWO edge sitters and TWO wannabes...  ;D


« Last Edit: June 17, 2012, 18:51 by Leana »

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1216 on: June 17, 2012, 17:14 »

These little bandits are developing fast so I think they could be ready to go in a few days, but that's physically, not sure if they will be "emotionally" or "mentally" ready to take the first big step, but could be ...

A few days?   :-[ :'(  No, no, no, I'm so not ready for that yet! 

Do we know who the edge sitter is?  The one sitting and enjoying the rain?  I haven't had much luck seeing leg colours. 




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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1215 on: June 17, 2012, 17:12 »
Thanks TPC!  Very insightful and informative.  Gives us much to think about.

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1214 on: June 17, 2012, 17:09 »
Thanks for the answer Tracy, I didn't quote you as there is so much there that I'm getting the shakies and jumping when I type.

" Best I can come up with is that moment when we can see that they are not just looking out of the nestbox but rather they are looking way beyond the nestbox "

I wonder if what they are looking at is the city as it stands. Are they, with reasoning, looking beyond the nestbox with thoughts of the future or just that it is what they can see? Or is the basic instincts finally kicking in?

I've seen the word anthromorphism many time in this years forum.
Are we perhaps doing this? Assigning human emotions to wild animals is something that we should avoid.


They are wild, as nature intended, and we should allow them to remain so.

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1213 on: June 17, 2012, 16:30 »
Actually I like your answer and reading the last paragraph put it into perspective for me.

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1212 on: June 17, 2012, 16:11 »
Thank you for the new view TPC.   :-* 

Just when do you anticipate first flights might take place? 

These little bandits are developing fast so I think they could be ready to go in a few days, but that's physically, not sure if they will be "emotionally" or "mentally" ready to take the first big step, but could be ...
Does that mean that peregrine falcons have feelings or the ability to thought process beyond what is hard wired into them?
Not being a wise acre here, I'm really interested in the concepts.

Its a good question bccs.  How much they think in abstract thoughts like "its a long way down, do I really want to do this" I can't say, but I think being able to live your life in three dimensions (i.e., flying) requires some sort of abstract reasoning.  Absolutely they do not reason like we do nor can we understand how they reason because we just can't think they way they do, and it would suck if we could, if we could explain it all, we would lose the wonder and mystery of flight in my opinion.

So what do I mean by "emotionally" and "mentally" - first note the quotations, I just don't have better words to describe what I'm talking about.  Best I can come up with is that moment when we can see that they are not just looking out of the nestbox but rather they are looking way beyond the nestbox - like a switch has been flicked - like they suddenly understand that their world isn't the nestbox and their parents and nestmates, but that the wind should be under their wings, not blowing over them, that there are things to chase, that they can follow their parents.  That is what I mean by "mentally"/"emotionally" ready to leave.  What flicks that switch I have no idea, it's like how do the resident pairs know to return to within hours or days of each other at a set location thousands of kilometres from where they spend the winter separately.

Good question, not sure the answer is as good ...

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1211 on: June 17, 2012, 15:53 »
Thank you for the new view TPC.   :-* 

Just when do you anticipate first flights might take place? 

These little bandits are developing fast so I think they could be ready to go in a few days, but that's physically, not sure if they will be "emotionally" or "mentally" ready to take the first big step, but could be ...
Does that mean that peregrine falcons have feelings or the ability to thought process beyond what is hard wired into them?
Not being a wise acre here, I'm really interested in the concepts.

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1210 on: June 17, 2012, 15:40 »
Thank you for the new view TPC.   :-* 

Just when do you anticipate first flights might take place? 

These little bandits are developing fast so I think they could be ready to go in a few days, but that's physically, not sure if they will be "emotionally" or "mentally" ready to take the first big step, but could be ...

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1209 on: June 17, 2012, 14:17 »
Wow - Jubilee/Thistle/Winnifred is looking so grown up!  Not much fluffy down left :o.  I bet she'll be taking off when the boys do, maybe before... 8)

She's not venturing out onto the ledge though (as far as I can tell)... :-\ so looking grown up, but letting the brothers take the lead in traditional PF fashion ;)

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1208 on: June 17, 2012, 14:06 »
Thank you for the new view TPC.   :-* 

Just when do you anticipate first flights might take place? 

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Re: Radisson - 2012 / June
« Reply #1207 on: June 17, 2012, 14:03 »
1403h
Chick is sound asleep on the box edge - not long until these guys start to fly!!