Author Topic: Manitoba Peregrines - Family Tree (Read 17283 times)

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #42 on:** June 10, 2012, 14:06 »

Quote from: Kinderchick on June 10, 2012, 13:24

Thank you for this information, Helen, TPC & Moonstar. Had a friend ask me about this particular chick recently and couldn't find the answer. Do you know if there have been any sightings of Nero anywhere, TPC?

Not to date. Might at the end of the season when folks start collating their reports ... there are more nests than webcams and lots of observations that get submitted in a short space of time so it takes a while for the information to be entered and then for folks to be notified. He's old enough to turn up somewhere and hang about for a bit if he has survived thus far though.

Kinderchick · « **Reply #41 on:** June 10, 2012, 13:24 »

Thank you for this information, Helen, TPC & Moonstar.

Had a friend ask me about this particular chick recently and couldn't find the answer. Do you know if there have been any sightings of Nero anywhere, TPC?

Moonstar · « **Reply #40 on:** June 09, 2012, 19:06 »

Nero is the one that gave us so much trouble when he fledged and landed on balconies and the ground and eventually ended up on someone's roof. But later he managed to fly back to the top of the hi-rise to be with his family.

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #39 on:** June 09, 2012, 16:11 »

Quote from: Kinderchick on June 09, 2012, 11:44

Can anyone answer this question for me? I have been reading through the family tree and don't seem to be able to locate the answer. I am pretty sure that TPC named a Manitoba PF chick "Nero" after the well known Manitoba naturalist and ornithologist, Dr. Robert Nero's late wife, Ruth, who passed away several years ago. Am I imagining this? And if I am not imagining this, what year was this and who were the parents of this chick?

You are sort of right Kinderchick. Nero was actually named for Bob Nero because he was one of the founding members of the Peregrine Project and that year was the Project's 30th anniversary. The year was 2010 and Nero's siblings were/are Annie (for Anniversary) and Aggie (our first release site was the Agricultural College). Their parents are Beau and Jules so Nero is a West Winnipeg chick.

Helen b · « **Reply #38 on:** June 09, 2012, 11:55 »

here is what I found in searching

2010 - Ivy has defected to become the Radisson resident male but Jules was not alone for too long before she found her "Beau" a captive-bred bird released in Manitoba a couple of years earlier. The unlucky building was abandonned for a nestbox on a building in another part of their territory and despite rain and hail and windstorms, Jules and Beau successfully raised three young - Annie, Aggie & Nero.

Kinderchick · « **Reply #37 on:** June 09, 2012, 11:44 »

Can anyone answer this question for me? I have been reading through the family tree and don't seem to be able to locate the answer.

I am pretty sure that TPC named a Manitoba PF chick "Nero" after the well known Manitoba naturalist and ornithologist, Dr. Robert Nero's late wife, Ruth, who passed away several years ago. Am I imagining this? And if I am not imagining this, what year was this and who were the parents of this chick?

msdolittle · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2011, 17:17 »

Thanks

susha · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2011, 15:36 »

Just read through the Radisson Family Tree - fascinating, TPC!

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2011, 13:45 »

Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on May 23, 2011, 12:42

I'll go have a look MsD ...

All fixed ... missed a letter in the link

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2011, 12:42 »

I'll go have a look MsD ...

msdolittle · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2011, 11:00 »

Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on April 29, 2010, 18:08

I have started adding family trees to the Project website ... http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/pefa/p-trees.html

The links are on the right

went to look at the family tree and it said "404 not found"

has it been moved?

bccs · « **Reply #31 on:** April 16, 2011, 15:31 »

Oh yes

allikat · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2011, 15:13 »

He is the Rock Star!

bccs · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2011, 14:47 »

Trey .....

sigh

Kinderchick · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2011, 10:23 »

Quote from: birdcamfan on April 16, 2011, 06:45

I miss him too and half thought he'd just turn up out of the blue this year.

I'm guessing you're not alone with that thought, bcf.

birdcamfan · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2011, 06:45 »

I miss him too and half thought he'd just turn up out of the blue this year.

Kinderchick · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2011, 20:02 »

Quote from: dupre501 on April 15, 2011, 19:52

That may be, but we still miss our RockStar.

We do, indeed, dupre.

dupre501 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2011, 19:52 »

That may be, but we still miss our RockStar.

birdcamfan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2011, 18:07 »

Sounds like the passive guys have nothing to prove. They sneak in and impress the ladies.

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #23 on:** April 15, 2011, 14:30 »

Quote from: bcbird on April 15, 2011, 14:10

Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on November 03, 2010, 16:09
Ivy is a very "English" female name but Ivy got his name because he is fourth (IV) generation Radisson male. And yes, his name is spelled "Ivy" not "IV", the latter is just too impersonal. Took a chance naming him this, no way to know if he would survive to actually be a fourth generation breeding Radisson bird.

How will you decide when to "take a chance" and specially name a Radisson male chick of the fifth generation, since Ivy (the fourth generation) is now a breeding
Radisson bird.

I don't really name birds with an eye to name each generation, T-Rex's band was 1/X and he reminded us of the Jurassic Park velociraptors - in fact, the movie came out the day before we went to band chicks of his and my boss at the time got pummelled by this tiny furious peregrine. The name was a no-brainer I'm afraid, bird never changed. Trey got his name because he came back the year after hatch just like his dad and he was actually named for being third generation male to come back - not because he was third generation at the Radisson. Ivy got his name more because he had a V in his band and I often try phonetics for band numbers but there really isn't a phonetic for a sideways 8. Considering half or more of all chicks don't make it through their first year, it could have been a wasted name. Having said that, there was a bird we didn't name who I thought was a slam-dunk to replace T-Rex but he crashed into a building here in town when he was three. A bird I knew would replace Trey was Sherpa but he too died in a fluke accident when he was six. So much more competent birds died while Ivy, who is a bit of a passive bird, survives to take over the Radisson - maybe because of his name? Who knows.

In any case, no immediate plans to name a fifth generation as such, but we'll see. Maybe there will be a bird that just jumps out and says "name me"!!

bcbird · « **Reply #22 on:** April 15, 2011, 14:10 »

Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on November 03, 2010, 16:09

Ivy is a very "English" female name but Ivy got his name because he is fourth (IV) generation Radisson male. And yes, his name is spelled "Ivy" not "IV", the latter is just too impersonal. Took a chance naming him this, no way to know if he would survive to actually be a fourth generation breeding Radisson bird.

How will you decide when to "take a chance" and specially name a Radisson male chick of the fifth generation, since Ivy (the fourth generation) is now a breeding
Radisson bird.

Pam · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2011, 21:58 »

Very interesting about Sewage Sue. I happened to be wearing one of my tshirts today and actually commented to Doug that I wondered how on earth
A name like Sewage Sue could happen!

Kinderchick · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2011, 20:41 »

Thanks for answering my question about Trey & Madame's 2000 & 2001 chicks, TPC.

Also, really interesting story about "Sewage Sue".

(lips sealed and nose plugged!)

birdcamfan · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2011, 20:36 »

Thank you. Not a very nice name but a very interesting story. I thought there must be something behind it.

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2011, 20:09 »

Quote from: birdcamfan on March 20, 2011, 18:34

This is a question for TPC. I was having a lot of fun going back through the Manitoba peregrines in the Midwest Peregrine Database and came upon a 1994 peregrine from Portage la Prairie named "Sewage Sue". Do you know how she got her name?

Ah, Sewage Sue. Sewage Sue was a captive-bred chick from the CWS Wainwright breeding facility in Alberta that we hack released from a site in Portage la Prairie in 1994. Shortly after fleding, we believe she clipped a vehicle on the Portage la Prairie overpass but managed to land in one of the lagoons in the Portage la Prairie Waste Treatment Plant which probably saved her from more damage. Fortunately it was the last stage treatment pond, so while she was covered in bits, they were harmless bits. They looked and felt like dark brown crushed leaves, kinda cool actually. She was fished out without further damage and I brought to a vet clinic here in Winnipeg for treatment. Took us 3 days of washing her every 5-6 hours to finally get all the bits out of her feathers. She broke her shoulder which healed she was not releasable so we arranged for her to live at a conservation/breeding centre in Ontario. The story is that she fell in love with the human manager of the Centre. An exciting start, a messy middle and a happy ending. The perfect story.

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2011, 19:57 »

Quote from: Kinderchick on February 01, 2011, 20:05

I was just reading through the Family Tree link and see where in 2000, Trey & Madame hatched one chick but it did not fledge. Then again, in 2001, they hatched 4 chicks, in their first nest, but none of them fledged. So I was just wondering, what ever happened to all of these chicks, TPC?

Sorry for the delay on this one ... The weather was cold and wet and Madame and Trey were using the nestledge. There was a rain storm, but it was tiny compared with the storm we had in 2009 and wouldn't have been a problem except that the weather had turned very cold and windy and the chicks died in the night before we even knew they were in trouble. That was when we knew we could have real problems with this nestsite.

birdcamfan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2011, 18:34 »

This is a question for TPC. I was having a lot of fun going back through the Manitoba peregrines in the Midwest Peregrine Database and came upon a 1994 peregrine from Portage la Prairie named "Sewage Sue". Do you know how she got her name?

Kinderchick · « **Reply #15 on:** February 01, 2011, 20:05 »

I was just reading through the Family Tree link and see where in 2000, Trey & Madame hatched one chick but it did not fledge. Then again, in 2001, they hatched 4 chicks, in their first nest, but none of them fledged. So I was just wondering, what ever happened to all of these chicks, TPC?

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2010, 21:55 »

Lucy was named by a young fan of the peregrines ... she didn't know why "Lucy" just that the chick looked like a Lucy

Kinderchick · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2010, 19:28 »

Ah! Yes, that helps alot. Thanks.

Now that you mention it, I seem to recall the IV reference, Ivy being a 4th generation Radisson male. So Ivy's and Lucy's sister is Finity... interesting explanation for her name. And now that leads me to another question, TPC. How did Lucy get her name?

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2010, 16:09 »

Easiest question first ... we haven't named all the birds in our Project over the years. Most have in recent years because of increased public interest in the birds and that more of our birds are nesting/sighted elsewhere. Ivy's and Lucy's is Finity - her band number is sideways 8 (the sign for infinity) over Y. Calling her Infinity was just courting disaster, the only time a peregrine is infinite is when its dead.

Ivy is a very "English" female name but Ivy got his name because he is fourth (IV) generation Radisson male. And yes, his name is spelled "Ivy" not "IV", the latter is just too impersonal. Took a chance naming him this, no way to know if he would survive to actually be a fourth generation breeding Radisson bird. Trey got his name the same way - Trey was/is Radisson male III generation. Ivy's band number is sideways 8 over V, so Ivy is also a good mnemonic. Sometimes the bands are the reason for the names, sometimes its another reason.

Does that help?

Kinderchick · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2010, 14:08 »

I'm not sure if this is where I should post this question, but I was wondering how Ivy got his name?

Cilla Kinross, Project Coordinator for the recovery project in Orange, NSW, Australia asked me about Ivy, since Ivy is traditionally a female name. Was it that you thought that Ivy was a female at the time of banding, TPC? I went to the Family Tree and noted that Trey & Princess hatched Ivy in 2005, along with Lucy and another female chick. And I myself am wondering why the other female chick was not named?

carly · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2010, 12:21 »

TPC answered this awhile back so I'll just repost what she said:

Most peregrine don't live into their teens, heck half don't make it to their first year. Most that do make it to year 2 don't make it past 10 years old. That applies for males and females. Oldest bird in the wild is I believe a male who made it to 19 years plus some months I believe. Survivorship for Falcon peregrinus anatum is about 80% per year after second year. That means that at year 10, 11% of all the birds hatched that same year are still alive, at year 20, only 1% are still alive. Median age is 4.5 years for both genders. Most of our breeding birds last a wee bit longer than that.

And I will add this to TPC's post : Sir James in Richmond, Virginia is the oldest peregrine alive right now in the wild that we know of - he is 20 this year!! Here is an article on him from last year when he broke the record at 19, he's just awesome!! This year, he and his mate Elizabeth produced 5 chicks again!! there are also a few famous pairs down in the US that are between 12-16 years of age, we have a female here in Toronto from the US that turned 12 this year - but these falcons are the exception to the rule. As TPC and the James articles state - average lifespan is only 4-5 years of age.

http://www.ccb-wm.org/news/2009_JanApr/james_peregrine_nineteen.htm

ShoeChick · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2010, 11:53 »

I just had a read through this thread and followed the link to the Raddison family tree. I see that Trey was born in 1996 which would have made him 13 last year when he fathered his last nest that we are aware of.

This got me to thinking how long can Peregrines live? I know that there are several factors involved, so maybe the better question would be what is the longest that they are known to have lived?

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2010, 11:56 »

Quote from: Kinderchick on May 01, 2010, 11:20

WOW! It's going to take me awhile to get my head around all of these connections, although, very interesting!

You ain't seen nothing yet

Kinderchick · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2010, 11:20 »

WOW! It's going to take me awhile to get my head around all of these connections, although, very interesting!

RCF · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2010, 22:03 »

Thank you Tracy.

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2010, 23:59 »

Quote from: Rapidcitymbfan on April 29, 2010, 21:04

Tracy, I know you are probably very busy, but I am just wondering where Holly is from?

Holly is from Fargo, North Dakota. The nestbox on First Community Bank.

Her father, Dakota Ace was once paired with Goldie from Omaha, who was the offspring of Winnie who was paired with Zeus at the Woodmen Tower in Omaha (the same Zeus who is still there). Winnie is a Winnipeg chick, her parents were T-Rex and Burnsie - T-Rex was from our first nest at the Radisson and Burnsie was a captive-bred bird hack released in Brandon. Nice symmetry - released from Brandon, through Winnipeg, to Omaha, then North Dakota and back to Brandon. Interestingly, one of Holly's kids is Terminator who is back in North Dakota and who has been paired with two of Dakota Ace's sons (by another female) - Bear & Roosevelt.

RCF · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2010, 21:04 »

Tracy, I know you are probably very busy, but I am just wondering where Holly is from?

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2010, 18:08 »

I have started adding family trees to the Project website ... http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/pefa/p-trees.html

The links are on the right

The Peregrine Chick · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2009, 00:38 »

I generally put family tree "stuff" in the applicable threads - i.e., Trey's tree is under Radisson Peregrines etc.

As for using icons and sighting information, that's a winter project I'm afraid. I am working on family trees for all our birds in a format that is easy to update as new information comes in and which is easy to understand - either graphically and/or textually. Since we have over 200 birds released here in Manitoba and there is no central registry for the chicks produced away by Manitoba peregrines, it takes more than a little work to track down who, what, where and from whom - but I'm working on it ...

At the moment, Manitoba peregrines nesting elsewhere are included under Manitoba Peregrines - for example, Radisson in Edmonton is under Manitoba Peregrines instead of with the rest of the Alberta peregrines under Canadian Peregrines. I try to include background on the birds and their offspring in each board.

At the moment, that's all I can provide, only so many hours in the day I'm afraid ...

dupre501 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2009, 16:50 »

Hi TPC,

I'm fairly sure that I saw this somewhere on this forum, but I can't find it now.

Perhaps this could have it's own forum. You know, one that is locked and only you post there with information and updates.

If it were listed on the main menu with the rest of the Manitoba Peregrines section that would make it so easy to find.

It would be really great if within the family tree any sightings were listed and maybe have icons for the ones that have nested elswhere, have video on them, etc.

Thanks!