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Offline moka

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2586 on: June 06, 2009, 11:37 »
Beautifully said, Tracy, your explanations are always so clear and logical.

I picked up on the words: the animal world and the human world. I think we humans need a dose of humility when contemplating the world. It is not ours even if we use it as such, and animals have as much right to this planet as we do.. We need to respect this shared world and the animals that inhabit it with us.

This whole blog inspires me, the people are kind and nature loving. Also, just watching that lovely little chick pile breathe, calms me.



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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2585 on: June 06, 2009, 11:26 »
Tracy, I love the way you explain things to us non-scientific folk.  Thanks for that.  And I enjoyed reading your reply to the Kinderchick's students.  They will probably have their families watching with them well after school is out for the year.

Have a great day!

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2584 on: June 06, 2009, 11:20 »
Question for you Tracy - Do you ever feel that the anthropomorphizing of the peregrines (by the general public) is counterproductive to the goals of the Falcon Recovery Project? Or do you consider it learning by association with what we know and, therefore, mostly beneficial?

Six of one, half dozen of another Three.  For most people, this and other peregrine webcams are the first time they have ever seen a peregrine let alone a peregrine perhaps living on a few blocks away from them.  Most people anthropomorphize about animals, even biologists, for some its all animals, for some, like biologists, it might only be their family pet.  Its all a question, to my mind, of familiarity, in this case not familiarity breeding contempt but rather compassion.  And it works in many cases for most people.  We don't actually know and we can't understand how a dog, cat, rat, bird lives in its world, but living in close proximity with humans, they know how to read our signals to meet their needs and we know how to read their signals to respond accordingly.  Of course we are missing all the subtlety, but there isn't anything we can do about it.  

Now, does that compassion ever get out of hand?  Sure, look at the recent events at the Toronto Humane Society - going out of their way to help Wiggly the Pig at the same time it seems their no-kill policy is in fact causing more harm than compassion for their charges.  Or when some pet owners insist that their pets be vegetarians because their owners have chosen an ethical stand against meat.  Now those are extreme examples but they do come from our compassion for the animals we know.  

Now at the other end of the spectrum you have projects like ours with wild animals that we generally do not interfere with.  We are "peaking" so to speak, not interacting with them.  In this case, the compassion is an important part of our efforts, because the only way to foster a sense of responsibility for our actions or stewardship for the environment is to encourage a sense of compassion of the other nations living on the planet.  So with a webcam in our case, viewers get to see what happens minute-by-minute and the peregrines aren't just spectacular birds soaring on a 30-minute PBS special but rather are spectacular birds sharing our world, living and dying without a care that we exist and that we damn-near drove them to extinction with our science.  

So from a Project perspective, I need the compassion that comes as a result of anthropomorphizing to be able to educate and advocate on behalf of the peregrines (and all species-at-risk).  One of the things I need to educate about is that they are separate nations.  They exist, separate from us, neither above nor below nor in partnership with us.  They hatch, grow, fly, hunt, breed and die all because that is what a peregrine does in its world, not because that is what a peregrine is suppose to do in a human world.

Does that help to answer the question Three ?

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2583 on: June 06, 2009, 11:17 »
P.S.  The remnants of the meal was at the other end of the box last night, so it seems they have used more of it after the first meal?...I was wondering if leftovers are kept in case someone gets the munchies during the night!?

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2582 on: June 06, 2009, 11:05 »
I agree Tracy (from my humble view pt of knowing very little!).  I'm sure it is a pigeon wing. I was observing last night when Princess brought in a huge looking pigeon (and I realized it hadn't been defeathered or anything yet (and was treated to a more graphic meal than usual). Then she settled down over the chicks without removing it, still with legs and lots of red evident. It's a lot easier to look at now! I was surprised she didn't remove it and I wondered if it would be pecked at again or just left for Trey to clean up!
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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2581 on: June 06, 2009, 10:59 »
I think Princess may have lost one of her flight feathers. Certainly none of their prey is that large and, it's my estimation, one of the adults would have removed remnants from the nest box (I'm looking at you Trey).

Actually, it looks like a pigeon wing, its definitely more than one feather and if one of the adutls had lost that much, you would see the rest of their body lying there right beside it.  Usually they strip the wings off before bring it to the ledge but might have been caught right near the ledge so it was the easiest place to bring it to.  Will see what I can see on the video when I get the chance.  And actually their prey can get to be bigger than they are - the used to be called Duck Hawks because they really do like ducks (and shorebirds and waterbirds like gulls, etc).  Blue and Green-winged teals are probably the size of 1/2 the box and they are regularly caught & carried away by peregrines.

After last year, it's understandable that we're all a little jumpy. Given that Trey and Princess are great parents, and Tracy's simple but genius nest box solution, I think the babes stand a good chance of fledging.  

So far so good but this a wild nest with wild birds and subject to wild weather, so I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed until the birds leave in October ... bin seems to be working well though, going to be interesting to see what it (and the chicks in it) look like come banding ...

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2580 on: June 06, 2009, 10:59 »
Right now they are left to themselves and the wing in the chick box.  Princess or Trey are out of camera shot.  The chicks are flat out on the gravel with legs moving in and out from under them lol

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2579 on: June 06, 2009, 09:11 »
AH.......little chick huddle!!!!!.......waiting for lunch

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2578 on: June 06, 2009, 08:35 »
Good Morning All.  Looks like Trey has taken the morning off from housekeeping.  Just did a full screen of the cam and there is a LOT of detritus in that box.  Including what looks like a wing, or part thereof.

Everyone is looking good this morning though.   :D

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2577 on: June 06, 2009, 08:03 »
There have been at least two feedings this morning and both times the chicks looked just great.  ;D  ;D Princess has pretty much been keeping them under wraps the rest of the time on this frosty morning.

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2576 on: June 06, 2009, 07:53 »
Glad it isn't a chick Thanks for those that got to see them all this morning.
Three I believe anyone that has compassion for animals and those of us that have had a pet anthropomorphize. I would worry more if it wasn't a living animal/creature. That is just my opinion(even though you were not asking me...hehe) ;)

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2575 on: June 06, 2009, 07:22 »
Question for you Tracy - Do you ever feel that the anthropomorphizing of the peregrines (by the general public) is counterproductive to the goals of the Falcon Recovery Project? Or do you consider it learning by association with what we know and, therefore, mostly beneficial?

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2574 on: June 06, 2009, 06:53 »
I think Princess may have lost one of her flight feathers. Certainly none of their prey is that large and, it's my estimation, one of the adults would have removed remnants from the nest box (I'm looking at you Trey).

After last year, it's understandable that we're all a little jumpy. Given that Trey and Princess are great parents, and Tracy's simple but genius nest box solution, I think the babes stand a good chance of fledging.

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2573 on: June 06, 2009, 06:42 »
6:41winnipeg time
One last look at he chicks before I leave but htey are covered and that is good.
Frosty her in St.Albert this morning

I will wave as I pass over today.
 :-* :-*to the peregrine family

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Re: Radisson - 2009 / June
« Reply #2572 on: June 06, 2009, 06:22 »
So happy to see the chicks.....was looking at something white sticking out there and my heart did a flip flop but then she moved and thankfully all is well.I was worried about the cold weather and how they would get along through the night........wishing everyone a good weekend.