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Offline Bleusoleil40

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2503 on: June 19, 2009, 11:38 »
A special thank you to bleusoleil40 - if not for your alert here as to something being wrong at the nest site, we wouldn't have sprung into action so fast to go check it out and call the plant. Considering the one other had lesions, without your timely observation we would probably have lost two of them!! 

The on-line community is full of wonderful caring people  :-*

Thanks to all of you...my friend called me to say that one of our chicks was not moving...so she's the one we should thank.  We are happy we could at least save 3 of them.

But thank you for keeping us informed since we are in Ottawa and are kind of new at this  ;)

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2502 on: June 19, 2009, 10:32 »
It is so disheartening to read about Bella's death; I fervently hope the other chicks recover and can be put back in the nest box soon - I do so miss this group!  The irony of life is that we can have such a wonderful day with the banding of the chicks in Winnipeg, while at the same time we must suffer the loss of a chick at Elk River.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2501 on: June 19, 2009, 09:55 »
yes - when I was telling the in-laws (bah, in-laws) about this nest this morning that was what I focused on.  that were it not for the camera and the people constantly watching and reporting, very likely all would have perished and no one would know.  how sad that would be.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2500 on: June 19, 2009, 09:55 »
I reiterate what CArly said.
that is why cams are important.
We get to watch these amazing raptors but someone somewhere will spot something that others have not quite noticed and the proper officials can be notified.
this has saved many an eagle and a peregrine
thnks-you to the global community and those that support it.


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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2499 on: June 19, 2009, 09:13 »
that is very sad ... but on the up side, if the chicks were in the wild and the wasn't people watching over them all would more than likely have perished.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2498 on: June 19, 2009, 09:08 »
Very sad to hear about the one chick  :'(
I hope the other three are okay. 
Thank you so much for the updates on this site...we were all worried but did try to remain positive.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2497 on: June 19, 2009, 08:59 »
Thank you Alison, Carly and TPC for the answers.  Makes me feel a little better.  I hope they update the website soon.   :)

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2496 on: June 19, 2009, 08:56 »
very sad but not completely unexpected news this morning. at least we know now and are not wondering. great work everyone from the observers, to the alerters, to the rescuers and to the informers. much appreciated.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2495 on: June 19, 2009, 07:40 »
A special thank you to bleusoleil40 - if not for your alert here as to something being wrong at the nest site, we wouldn't have sprung into action so fast to go check it out and call the plant. Considering the one other had lesions, without your timely observation we would probably have lost two of them!! 

The on-line community is full of wonderful caring people  :-*
« Last Edit: June 19, 2009, 07:41 by carly »

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2494 on: June 19, 2009, 01:29 »
Couple of things ...

We returned Chinook after 2.5 and Mistral after 1 week to the nestbox and nary a problem with Trey and Princess watching over them.  We put captive bred birds in a hack box (they were about 10 days away from fledging) and T-Rex, Trey's Dad, immediately adopted them all and began hunting for them and shoving the food through the bars on the hack box.  He also defended the site very aggressively.  Not his chicks  at all and he had no problem taking them in.

Have you noticed that you never see a head on any of the birds that Trey and Princess bring onto the ledge?  You can easily see the feet and somtimes a wing or two, but no heads.  And there were no heads lying about on the ledge when I was there. 

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2493 on: June 19, 2009, 00:28 »
here's hoping the other three make a full recovery.  very sad but I'm glad to hear they intervened and provided treatment for them when it can help.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2492 on: June 19, 2009, 00:16 »
I assume that they have removed the chicks from the nestbox in order to treat them.  How long would they have to treat them for?  Would they put them back into the nestbox after treatment?  Will the parents accept them and still care for them after they've been gone for a long period of time?  Will the parents even hang around?   :'( :'( ???

They may not have removed the chicks from the nest box. Perhaps they would remove the one chick with visible lesions, but it would depend on how advanced the Trichomoniasis was. One treatment is frequently enough. Flagyl, an anti-Protozoan, is an  effective treatment.

The parents would accept the chicks back even if they had to be removed from the nest box. They would not leave.

One example: a few years ago Athena, the single chick at the Woodmen nest in Omaha, was found to have Frounce at banding. She was taken to Raptor Recovery, treated and returned to the nest the following day. Both parents, Zeus and Amelia, sat outside the window where they had last seen the chick until she was returned. She made a full recovery and fledged successfully.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2491 on: June 19, 2009, 00:07 »
How sad.  I hope the other 3 recovers.  Thanks for the info kittenface.  What jumped out at me was the head flicking.  I did see one of the chicks do that; I assume that was the one that died.  I assume that they have removed the chicks from the nestbox in order to treat them.  How long would they have to treat them for?  Would they put them back into the nestbox after treatment?  Will the parents accept them and still care for them after they've been gone for a long period of time?  Will the parents even hang around?   :'( :'( ???

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2490 on: June 18, 2009, 23:57 »
I was just getting ready to post the same thing I did look it up and this is what I found on it


Frounce (or Avian Trichomoniasis)
Frounce is a highly contagious yeast infection of the digestive tract. Frounce is caused by a protozoan called Trichomonas which is frequently present in the crops of pigeons. For this reason, pigeon heads and crops are generally not fed to raptors. The typical signs of frounce are white spots in the mouth or crop, often described as "cheesy" or "white plaques." These alone are not enough to diagnose frounce as plaques could be candidiosis, capillaria, or even Vitamin A deficiency, but it is one hallmark of the disease. Other signs are head flicking, difficulty breathing, or even regurgitation of food. There is a particular smell to frounce. Green mutes may also appear. A bird may suddenly appear to be in yarak, even without other changes. A swab and wet prep on a slide will show protozoans.
Flagyl, Spartrix, Metronidazole, Entramin, Emtryl (encourages the lesions to drop off), or Carnidazole (or, less preferred, Enheptin) are typically prescribed for this. One common treatment now is to treat the bird with 25 - 50 mg/Kg of Metronidazole twice a day for 7 - 10 days and swab the frounce areas with a dilute Betadine or Nolvasan solution to try to remove some of the plaques. A single 250 mg tablet can be dissolved in 10 cc water. A 600 g bird can then be given 1 cc per day of this mixture. Another approach is to, basically, address the infection with a single dosage of 125 mg per kg of bird weight. The infection plaques will die and expose raw skin that will need to be protected from any other infection. Plaques in the throat may necessitate smaller bites or food more easily swallowed.
Birds who are untreated usually succumb to Frounce within 7 - 10 days. Great Horned Owls and Barred Owls appear to be very susceptible to this. Peregrines are thought to be less susceptible to this, so a Peregrine showing frounce symptoms should also be investigated for diseases which may give similar symptoms such as Capillaria.

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Re: Minnesota / Elk River - 2009 / ? & ?
« Reply #2489 on: June 18, 2009, 23:56 »
Well well well.  Not as bad as I thought it might be.  Still sad to lose one.  But at least we can hope for the remaining 3.