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AZ / Phoenix - 2016-17
burdi:
http://www.species-at-risk.mb.ca/pefa/forum/index.php/topic,4349.msg102081.html#msg102081
Thank you for the above reply, TPC. Your thoughts are appreciated and well taken.
There’s probably a few things I failed to make clear; for instance, my main concern at this time (and since the death of the chick) is Dad - who I last saw with his deceased chick during an “excessive heat warning” (:'( as seen in photos on Alison’s post at 19:18 :'(). Dad is an older falcon and I need to see for myself that he is alive and well (or at least confirmation of a sighting would be helpful).
I noticed while reading through comments (on the cam page) it appears that numerous people are under the impression that Dad was sighted, but perhaps they missed reading the word "later" in the following statement from AZGFD: "In the hour that was spent looking, the female was seen perched on a high-rise close by at around 9:30 am. Another bird was seen perched later but was too far away to get an ID on which adult it was."
If I would have heard that Dad was well I likely would have better accepted the situation … but at this time I still don’t know how he's doing.
The Peregrine Chick:
--- Quote from: burdi on June 06, 2016, 22:05 ---
--- Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on June 06, 2016, 08:58 ---
--- Quote from: burdi on June 05, 2016, 22:06 ---I've tried to understand why they left the camera facing outwards, but still haven't come up with a good enough reason.
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Do you mean facing the camera away from the nestbox Burdi?
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Yes, I mean facing the camera away from the nestbox, TPC; in other words, we are currently viewing what the falcons see when they look out the door of their nest.
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Thanks for the clarification Burdi. I have absolutely no inside knowledge of the Arizona folks' decision but I do understand taking the camera view off the box, we've done it ourselves. For some the sight of the empty nestbox and parents perched on the edge of the box is traumatic. The parents may not be coming back to the nestbox and showing an empty nestbox isn't much of a view either. I can say that here, after we have lost chicks, Maud & Pop, Madame & T-Rex, Madame & Trey and Princess and Trey very occasionally returned to the nestledge after they lost eggs/chicks. A few times over the first few days and mostly to just sit looking outwards or to do a bit of scraping like they do pre-nesting. When Princess and Smiley lost their eggs, they did try to incubate the eggs for a few days but they eventually realized that it was a lost cause and they just shifted into post-nesting behaviour. Can't say that this is what is happening in Arizona but likely. And perhaps they'll move it back if the birds settle into a routine - or enough viewers ask them to of course.
So why not leave the camera on the nestbox to see all of this? Because we are humans and we tend to apply human responses to the peregrines' behaviour. Its just what we do, neither good nor bad nor really something any of us can avoid doing. Even folks who work with peregrines, we just tend to remind ourselves more often that we have absolutely know way of physically, intellectually or emotionally comprehending the world the way a peregrine does and to assign human motivations is likely minimizing their experience and I don't think anyone wants to do that great a disservice to the peregrines we all admire so much.
My two cents at least ...
burdi:
--- Quote from: The Peregrine Chick on June 06, 2016, 08:58 ---
--- Quote from: burdi on June 05, 2016, 22:06 ---I've tried to understand why they left the camera facing outwards, but still haven't come up with a good enough reason.
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Do you mean facing the camera away from the nestbox Burdi?
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Yes, I mean facing the camera away from the nestbox, TPC; in other words, we are currently viewing what the falcons see when they look out the door of their nest.
Perhaps my earlier post (at 18:02 yesterday) was a little clearer:
"The chick was a male, they've determined.
Mom was seen this morning, but they're uncertain which falcon was seen later. I'm thankful they've shared their sightings, but would appreciate if the cam was facing the nest (rather than outwards), as I prefer being able to see how the parents are coping with the situation.
I'm particularly concerned about Dad now, since he persevered through an extreme amount of stress yesterday."
The Peregrine Chick:
--- Quote from: burdi on June 05, 2016, 22:06 ---I've tried to understand why they left the camera facing outwards, but still haven't come up with a good enough reason.
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Do you mean facing the camera away from the nestbox Burdi?
burdi:
--- Quote from: carly on June 05, 2016, 20:22 ---
--- Quote from: Alison on June 04, 2016, 19:18 ---A few pics of Dad desperately trying to help his chick:
Dad stayed with his chick for a long time, but he has now left the nest. I am so sad that we have lost this precious little chick. :( :(
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That's the most heartbreaking thing I've seen on cam :'( :'( :'( :'(
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I agree Carly, it's extremely heartbreaking. :'( I really need to know how Dad is doing. :'(
I've tried to understand why they left the camera facing outwards, but still haven't come up with a good enough reason.
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