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Offline Feather2Fin

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #835 on: June 05, 2013, 22:01 »
At the supper time feeding Princess appeared to call Ivy and then she left the young ones. Princess must have been hungry or in need of a good wing stretch.  :D  It was about 5 minutes before Ivy showed up and took over the chick minding and feeding.  The chicks had a nice long feed and then Princess returned with another snack. I bet the chicks will be stuffed until morning. I love how the chicks hold each other up. ;D

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #834 on: June 05, 2013, 18:01 »
Finally a feeding where we can see the chicks.  They have grown so much already :D

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #833 on: June 05, 2013, 15:15 »
Meantime we have 2 fabulous chicks to watch and cheer on this summer!!  ;D ;D

Don't forget there will probably be chicks to watch at Brandon also!!  ;) ;D

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #832 on: June 05, 2013, 13:11 »
Well, it is 1 pm and the ledge is now in shadow. I guess that is one of the advantages of the ledge, it doesn't get the hot afternoon sun. ;)

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #831 on: June 05, 2013, 13:05 »
 a ledge that has been used 5 times (I believe) in 30+ years.  

That's a really good reminder and puts things in to perspective - it seems like they are "always" there . . . just like it seems like it's "always" raining.

Thank you to everyone for the updates and pics / videos of the meals.  :) I've only caught the very end of a couple of meals this season .. .  I guess I "always" miss them.  ;)

Princess is looking quite content with the chicks tucked under. Lovely sunny day.

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #830 on: June 05, 2013, 12:40 »
Yup, definitely a dilemna. Nobody means to pester  :-[ - the brainstorming comes out of frustration at losing chicks as a direct result of this nesting option, so I guess many of us would really like to see that option somehow made less desirable for nesting -  in favour of the lovely dry sheltered nest on the other side of the building. After all, supporting the successful future of the Peregrine species is the mission of the Recovery Program - and this dang ledge does not help that cause.  :( ...Some things like glass buildings, landing in traffic, freak accidents can't be helped or fixed or controlled.  :-\ - But there may be a solution to this ledge and we're just airing some ideas.  :) If not for losing chick#1, we probably wouldn't be talking about it at this point. Obviously TPC knows more than we do about the whole situation and what could or couldn't work, the issues that have to be considered. Thanks for your great explanations & patience TPC  :-* - if there is anything that can be done at some point , we know you'll get it done! Meantime we have 2 fabulous chicks to watch and cheer on this summer!!  ;D ;D

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #829 on: June 05, 2013, 11:04 »
Makes a lot of sense, TPC.  The birds are going to nest where, when and how they choose to and going to a lot of trouble and expense, only to have them nest there anyway would be just silly ::)



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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #828 on: June 05, 2013, 10:20 »
It's nice to see Ivy getting a nice long turn on the chicks. :D

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #827 on: June 05, 2013, 09:40 »
Perhaps I am wrong - but it would seem to me the birds are attracted to a gravel base. I have seen many a roof in Winnipeg with ordinary patio blocks as a base. Per chance if you used those on that ledge, it would not significantly add to any cost, preserve the integrity of the roof and discourage future nesting desires ?? 

What about this idea, TPC?  Seems like a good one... ???

We have had peregrines nest on asphalt roofing, metal platforms, metal downspouts (really old large catchbasin types), bare concrete, on large stones, on astro-turf, in old crow's nests and in pigeon feces.  Of those, we have only had 3 nests (9 chicks total) survive to fledge and none of those chicks are known to have survived.  Sometimes it is just the location and not what is in it I'm afraid  :)  That's why we try to find places they are interested in and find a way to make a nestbox work at the location - win-win for us as well as the birds.  

As for putting patio blocks, they are quite heavy and we would need to put a lot of them there to fill the space - the weight could be an issue in the location because that roof was never meant to support anything so it may not be strong enough to support the blocks.  They may also be an issue to get up the side of the building and then they have to be cut to fit (remember the ledge is a triangle and some customizing would be required.  Then need to make sure that they won't interfere with drainage and then hope that the birds don't take a liking to the spot anyway.  And plants are always an issue there - you will see after the chicks leave how much vegetation grows up, so there may be plant debris the birds would take advantage of as well as any prey remains - bones in particular.  We clean out the nestboxes here, but if you watch some of the other webcams you can see how much stuff can accumulate in a nestbox over the course of a season, the feathers eventually mostly blow away but if they get combined with feces they make a pretty solid mass that isn't going anywhere - and there is a bunch of that kind of debris on the nestledge right now.

So, 1) can't interfere with building integrity, 2) can't be a potential hazard for peregrines, people & property, 3) has to be transportable, 4) can't damage building, 5) has to be a real deterrent to nesting otherwise the exercise/expense is wasted, 6) has to be affordable, 7) has to have longevity - don't want to have to redo it in a few years because it can't stand up to weather, drainage, plants growing in it, etc ... there is probably an 8th and 9th but I think you get the picture.

Relax folks, we are considering what our options are and if we don't find one this week, maybe next week or next month or the month after or the year after.  Our last nest was here in 2009 and all went fine but still we've been looking and considering what we might do to interfere with the ledge as little as possible but stop the birds from nesting there without stopping them from doing other things - roosting, hunting, defending the building, eating, courting.  And its not just adults, we want to make sure its safe for the chicks to use once they fledge.

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #826 on: June 05, 2013, 09:13 »
Okay recap of early morning activities (pretty quiet)

0440h - light comes up enough to see birds - chicks under Princess, egg has been pushed away from chicks
0455h - meal # 1 - few minutes long, then Princess back on
0849h - meal # 2 - few minutes long, then Princess leaves & Ivy gets to chicksit - the 2 chicks are squirming and making it tough for him to be a good sunshade
0914h - Ivy is still on the chicks, one of the longer chances he's gotten to hang out with them since they hatched ...

and the weather forecast for the day ...

Day - Partly cloudy in the morning, then clear. High of 23C. Winds less than 5 km/h.
Night - Partly cloudy in the evening, then clear. Low of 11C. Winds from the North at 5 to 15 km/h.

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #825 on: June 05, 2013, 06:28 »
Princess covering the chicklets this morning.  It appears that she has abandoned the last egg and it sits off to the side away from the two sibs.  Everybirdy looks content on the roof top!   :)

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #824 on: June 05, 2013, 05:14 »
 :( Princess has pushed the non viable egg to the side. She certainly was diligent in her attempt to hatch this egg. Haven't seen a feeding as yet. I'm sure it will be soon. For them, it is breakfast time.

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #823 on: June 04, 2013, 22:19 »


Perhaps I am wrong - but it would seem to me the birds are attracted to a gravel base. I have seen many a roof in Winnipeg with ordinary patio blocks as a base. Per chance if you used those on that ledge, it would not significantly add to any cost, preserve the integrity of the roof and discourage future nesting desires ??

What about this idea, TPC?  Seems like a good one... ???

How about this for an idea. Why don't we stop pestering TPC with all our ideas because I'm sure there isn't anything out there that she hasn't thought of (just read her posts on this thread) besides just to get a lift to get up 13/14 stories is very costly. I remember when Ty, Tupper and Vesper were banded it was over a thousand dollars and maybe more to get up there to do the banding.  I'm sure the Project isn't rolling in money. I know that everyone is concerned and wants to help but TPC has answered as completely and as patiently as she can many times. :)

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #822 on: June 04, 2013, 21:09 »


Perhaps I am wrong - but it would seem to me the birds are attracted to a gravel base. I have seen many a roof in Winnipeg with ordinary patio blocks as a base. Per chance if you used those on that ledge, it would not significantly add to any cost, preserve the integrity of the roof and discourage future nesting desires ??

What about this idea, TPC?  Seems like a good one... ???

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Re: Radisson - 2013 / June
« Reply #821 on: June 04, 2013, 20:52 »
Cooper we must have been watching at the same time as I saw the choking and then there was the pellet!  New one for me also.